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Compare benefits and ask why

Published August 13. 2019 01:45PM

This view differs from the post which said NO to Norway’s “socialism.” First, Norway is not socialist. Capitalism prevails. But Norwegians receive more social benefits from capitalism. Also, the profits from the mostly public owned oil company Statoil puts more back into the social fabric. Wouldn’t it be nice if Exxon did that?

Regarding tax rates and health care, the tax rates are nearly alike. A young single Norwegian pays 34% as compared to 20.3% tax for an American, but U.S. workers pay 7.65% Social Security and Medicare Tax, and the employer pays an equal amount, but that comes from workers’ wages, so in effect, a 15.3%, totaling 36.6%. But the SSI fund is being robbed to fund every war since 1968, so there is a double-whammy to repay with interest-bearing bonds.

Norwegians do not complain because they get free university education, free health care, low-cost public transportation, excellent benefits for the elderly; 12 months of parental leave (divided between mom and dad). In Norway there is a mandated living wage; a grocery clerk, my cousin Sindre, earned $20 an hour at age 18.

Compare this to Carbon County; even under the new LVH network, there are no birth facilities. Compare this to the July report that 11% of Carbon County residents are in poverty and 32% more live below the basic cost of living. Compare this to Pennsylvania not having enough money (our taxes) for road repairs.

The U.S. ranks highest in health care spending (OECD), $10,029 per capita, not Norway. Some of the high costs are from uncontrolled drug prices. Instead of controlling drug prices, there is a socialism-for-the rich scheme. Simple-to-make drugs like Pfizer’s lifesaving insulin are so costly people skip doses. Big Pharma receives enormous subsidies from American taxpayers in the form of NIH research, and R&D tax breaks; but politicians refuse to regulate this offense.

“Why there are not more Norways?” There have been many democratic attempts in our own hemisphere, and each one faced an overthrow by the U.S., witness Honduras, 2009. Norway is not a paradise, and pressure to reverse the benefits from the right is constant, but it is a tiny indication how society can be organized. We should demand more social benefits from our taxes.

Sandra Spier

Jim Thorpe

Comments
We should "DEMAND" less taxes so we can buy our own benefits if that's our choice. Wait, am I pro choice? No! That's a social benefit I'll not need, totally disagree with, yet still pay for it in taxes. I have to pay for able bodied folks who collect (scam) food stamps, I have to pay for those food stamps, and work to buy my own food.
Universal social programs that “help everyone” are folly. Regardless of your political philosophy, taxing everyone to help everyone makes no sense, though I understand where the writer comes from, I disagree. I am old school, where people work for what they get, and Christmas is just one day of the year. The young folks want everything provided by their dear friend, Uncle Sam, so they have more time to foundle their device... oops... dare I say that?
Here's a suggestion. Move to Norway. NOTE: you’ll need to have found work before moving to Norway
https://www.heartmybackpack.com/norway/move-to-norway/
So let’s get the pledge from you. Since you are so against government assistance, reject social security and Medicare when you are eligible. Be consistent.
We've been there already Joe. I didn't enact SS and Medicare, and since I've been extorted all these years, I'll take my money back if needed.
What next?
Most people on food stamps also paid in through their income taxes.

All it takes is one hospitalization to exhaust what you put in to Medicare and about 7 years of collecting SS to get that back. How about not being a drain on society and stop taking benefits after you get back yours?
Good read author, unfortunately I must have some disagreement with you, firstly, Pennsylvania has a lot of tax revenue but in my humble opinion it’s not allocated properly. Recently there was a TN article touting the $750,000 in state money given to st Luke’s to build a hospital. While a very important establishment to have, with all respect, if St Luke’s wants to build its on them to secure the financing, not the state, aka you and me. Money is spent like this foolishly all the time, and things like roads, schools, and infrastructure are ignored until they can’t be.

I consider myself an imperfect libertarian, I want taxes to be low and fair, tax all people and institutions at a realistic rate, but as we do things now wealthy institutions get breaks from taxes and passes, then the government answer is to tax the individual more, that’s awful, and not right. Maybe if the burden of taxes are shared among all equally we could see more effective allocation of resources.
My leanings are libertarian, by too often people allow ideology to get in the way of solutions. The reality is the demographic shifts are going to further cause health insurance premiums to spike unless we can balance the risk pool. This is why we will eventually have Medicare for all whether we like it or not. We are the only country on the planet with mass shootings that occur daily so eventually that right will be curtailed...it has too because that part of the great experiment is failing.
Hi Joe, while I disagree the great experiment is failing, I agree we can’t turn a blind eye to reality. Magician penn Jillette explained the libertarian position best, he said “ how do we protect more rights with less government “, and sometimes the only option is more government, maybe Medicare for all is an option down the road, but first we should prioritize fair taxes, and end corporate and religious and tax exempt welfare
Tony,
Before you can protect something, it's good to understand where that thing you wish to protect, came from. Where do our "Rights" come from?
For instance, the right to life...
Mike, top of the morning to ya, so not sure I accept the grammar of the question but I’ll give it a shot anyway. Life is fragile, statistically rare in the cosmos (as far as we can tell thus far), life is full of indeterminable value, so here in the USA the constitution was written to include a bill of rights, for humans.

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