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Camp area concerns neighbors

Published May 07. 2019 01:37PM

 

A recently approved campground in Penn Forest Township is drawing concern from neighbors.

The township zoning hearing board in March approved Scott A. Dietrich’s application for a special exception to allow him to operate a campground in the township’s R-2 zoning district. Dietrich owns 416 acres in the Bear Creek area with a street address of 44 Acacia Drive.

Dietrich also received a variance to build up to four cabins and one to four campsites on his property. The sites are operated in partnership with tentrr.com, a startup company which partners with property owners to set up and market campsites.

Tentrr has been called “Airbnb for campers.” There are other Tentrr sites near Palmerton, Beltzville Lake and Blue Mountain Resort.

Dietrich’s two listings advertise campsites for up to eight campers, at a cost of $150-$170 per night. Campers can add extra firewood or bedding for an additional cost.

The sites have been well-received by campers — one of Dietrich’s listings, called “A Creek Runs Through It,” has eight reviews, all with five stars.

Some neighbors are not as impressed. On Monday, a handful of residents turned out at the township expressed their opposition to Dietrich’s campsites, which they said have been operating for about a year. Some of the same opponents also turned out in 2011 to oppose Dietrich’s plan to locate a ropes course with a zip line on the same property.

Darren Reinart, a township resident, said he is concerned that Dietrich’s campsites do not have permanent bathroom or shower facilities, unlike campgrounds at area state parks.

A listing on tentrr.com for “Retreat on Bear Creek” states that the sites are equipped with a “sun shower”and “Camp Loo.”

According to the tentrr website, the camp loo is a box with a toilet seat and a bucket inside. Campers are instructed to line the box with a bag before using the bathroom, and then dispose of the bag in a trash can.

Reinart said he’s concerned that the water from the solar showers is draining into local waterways, and questioned where the disposed waste was ending up.

“Where is that garbage going?” Reinart said. “Also there’s graywater involved here, where they have solar showers and there’s no septic system. It’s going right into the Little Bear and Bear Creek.”

Joseph Urban said he supports people using their property to make a living, but he feels that Dietrich’s plan would have a negative impact on the high quality waters of Bear Creek. He said he recalled drinking water from Bear Creek 30 years ago without consequence because of its high quality.

“It’s been a pristine native trout stream for a number of years. And I believe that what Mr. Dietrich is trying to establish is going to hurt that waterway,” he said.

A homeowner, Chuck Sang, said he comes to the area for solitude, and the campsite would negatively affect that.

“Hearing about first the zip line, now I’m hearing about the camps, and I’m not too thrilled about that,” he said.

Another resident questioned whether Dietrich has a commercial permit for the township’s transfer station, or proof of a private garbage hauler, like all other township residents must provide.

Reinart asked the supervisors to look into the zoning hearing board decision and see if they followed the right regulations.

Township solicitor Thomas Nanovic said if a resident was opposed to a zoning hearing board decision, they would have to appeal it to a higher level. The appeal period for the zoning approval was 30 days and expired on April 7.

Nanovic added that if Reinart had concerns about wastewater flowing into the nearby waterways, he should make a complaint to the township’s sewage enforcement officer.

Supervisor Roger Meckes said it was the first he heard about the sanitary concerns.

Reinart claims that the relief the zoning board granted gives Dietrich the ability to operate up to 200 campsites on the property. Zoning board solicitor Michael Greek said that isn’t true.

Reinart said that raises concerns, because the only access to Dietrich’s property comes through private developments like Sunrise Ridge and Bear View. The roads in those developments are owned and maintained by private homeowners associations, not the township.

“Why wouldn’t Penn Forest have to pay for these roads then, if you’re going to allow business of that magnitude to go through a development,” he said.

 

Comments
Thank you Mickey for your feedback, I appreciate your support! I will definitely take your suggestions and move forward with them! Have a great summer! Clean and green!
I would also notify the American Association of Community Psychiatrists. They need to better understand why anyone would pay $150-$170 per night, to have to poop in a bag and shower in cold water. That said, Mr. Dietrich should soon be able to afford toilets and a sand mound.
So today I decide to do some math and see what we are talking about here.
150*4 month a year * 4 week a month *Avg 3 nights a week equals $7,200
170*4 month a year * 4 week a month *Avg 3 nights a week equals $8,160

That is $15,360 a year in gross income. Let’s say Tentrr gets a 20% cut (I don’t know what it really is). Now you are at 12,228 a year in income.

The property taxes on 400 acres got to be more than $12,228 a year.

So were does all the money come from to be able to pay for a $30,000 to $40,000 septic system. Plus, another $20,000 for a well. Then the building cost ($20,000 or more), the permits, and the upkeep cost and work to keep them clean. If these camps sites are not close to each other you have to times these costs by 2. So now we are at $80,000 to $160,000 in up front cost.

They are not even making enough a year to pay the property taxes. Then with all these improvements the taxes go up as well.

Mike, your comment "Mr. Dietrich should soon be able to afford toilets and a sand mound." makes no sense. Do you understand what things cost? Even if they had all the money in the world. The business case just doesn’t close. They are not even making enough to be in the black as it is.

Plus, I bet the "facilities" takes away from the camping experience. I don’t think people are paying that much a night to then feel like they are at any run of a mill campground.

On top of that, I have a feeling if they were trying to get a permit to do all this work you say you want with the money from who knows where. You and everyone else would try to stop them from doing it.

Also, just because you own a lot of land doesn’t mean you are rich. Maybe they worked hard and knew buying a 1 or so acre lot doesn’t buy solitude. Maybe these camp sites are just a way to make sure the tax bill can always be paid.
Does a best shit in woods? Same thing. A person can own 1000 acres & put a house right smack dab in the middle & some SOB neighbor with a postage stamp lot will try to tell him what to do. Come on people the whole word is turning nuts especially the liberals who are usually tree huggers. Big deal a little bit of grey water. Pen DOT pollutes more than that with their tar & chip machine putting diesel fuel & tar on the road & then running into our soil & possibly water table. Why don’t you start bitching about that?
I respect, and learn much from my elders, so do you mean to say a bear wouldn't poop in a field?
Ha Ha
Good Morning.
Just a heads up... you can edit, by using the edit button. Those old Model 88's might not have that button?
Thank you Mike I appreciate your comments! I posted General comment I hope you'll read. Too many people giving up in the world today it's why the world is the way it is!
Just a note back to model 88 rules, while I understand where you're coming from, does it make it right? No it doesn't.....nothing has ever gotten done in this world without people protesting to continue to call out the wrongs in this world! Let's try to do the best and the most we can to make it a better place for the generations to come! Giving up and conforming is not the answer!
Just a note back to tsommerfield, What are you trying to right? You never pissed on a tree before? What are you fighting? Where is the big company that has done wrong? There is just not a lot of money involved.

Is you goal to force a family to sell off sections to be developed? Because more houses and less woods is surly the best thing. It is a good thing we have people like you to fight for us.

I say this because this is what happened to the farms that at use to be all around. Now it is more and more houses.
“Why wouldn’t Penn Forest have to pay for these roads then, if you’re going to allow business of that magnitude to go through a development,” he said.

I love this comment.... Do some math there is no way this "business", if you even want to call it that, is even covering the taxes. Even if does it is not by much.

Edit added info:

To put some perspective on the type of money we are talking about. The current minimum wage in Pennsylvania is $7.25. Which is $15,080 a year. This so call "business of that magnitude" is within a few hundred of that amount in GROSS income. Yes GROSS income not profits. Wow. Your really hitting some big pockets here.

Let's all feel good about trying to put the screws to the big bad business.

lol.

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