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Democrats open budget talks with plan lacking wall money

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    From left, Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., chair of the Senate Appropriations Committee, Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., ranking member of the Senate Appropriations Committee, Sen. John Hoeven, R-N.D., and Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., the assistant Democratic leader in the Senate, greet each other as a bipartisan group of House and Senate bargainers meet to craft a border security compromise in hope of avoiding another government shutdown, at the Capitol in Washington, Wednesday, Jan. 30, 2019. . (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

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    From left, Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., ranking member of the Senate Appropriations Committee, Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., chair of the Senate Appropriations Committee, and House Appropriations Committee Chair Nita Lowey, D-N.Y., greet each other as a bipartisan group of House and Senate bargainers meet to craft a border security compromise in hope of avoiding another government shutdown, at the Capitol in Washington, Wednesday, Jan. 30, 2019. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

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    From left, Sen. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., Sen. Shelley Moore Capito, R-W.Va., Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., chair of the Senate Appropriations Committee, Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., ranking member of the Senate Appropriations Committee, and Sen. John Hoeven, R-N.D., greet each other as a bipartisan group of House and Senate bargainers meet to craft a border security compromise in hope of avoiding another government shutdown, at the Capitol in Washington, Wednesday, Jan. 30, 2019. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

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    House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., speaks at an event to advocate for the Paycheck Fairness Act on the 10th anniversary of President Barack Obama signing the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, at the Capitol in Washington, Wednesday, Jan. 30, 2019. The legislation, a top tier issue for the new Democratic majority in the House, would strengthen the Equal Pay Act of 1963 and guarantee that women can challenge pay discrimination and hold employers accountable.(AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

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    Rep. Kay Granger, R-Texas, left, ranking member of the House Appropriations Committee, speaks with Appropriations Chair Nita Lowey, D-N.Y., as a bipartisan group of House and Senate bargainers finished their first meeting to craft a border security compromise in hope of avoiding another government shutdown, at the Capitol in Washington, Wednesday, Jan. 30, 2019. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

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    From left, Rep. Chuck Fleischmann, R-Tenn., Rep. Pete Aguilar, D-Calif., Sen. Jon Tester, D-Mont., rear, Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., ranking member of the Senate Appropriations Committee, and Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, greet each other as the bipartisan group of House and Senate bargainers finished their first meeting to craft a border security compromise in hope of avoiding another government shutdown, at the Capitol in Washington, Wednesday, Jan. 30, 2019. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

Published January 31. 2019 08:28AM

WASHINGTON (AP) — Democrats in the House offered a border security plan that would not provide a penny for Donald Trump’s border wall, ignoring — for now — an early-morning warning from the president that they’d be “wasting their time” if they don’t come up with wall money.

The Democratic offer on Wednesday was just a starting point in House-Senate talks on border security funding that kicked off in a basement room in the Capitol. A top Democrat acknowledged that “everything is on the table,” including the border barriers demanded by Trump. Lawmakers on both sides flashed signs of flexibility, eager to demonstrate willingness to compromise in hopes of resolving the standoff with Trump that sparked the just-ended 35-day partial government shutdown.

The high-stakes talks are taking place against the backdrop of another possible shutdown in mid-February — an outcome Trump’s GOP allies in the Senate are especially eager to avoid. But while Trump’s rhetoric has cooled, he’s proven to be an unpredictable force in the shutdown debate, often veering back to his original demands for the wall. Lawmakers negotiating the bill are well aware that he could move to quash an agreement at any time, plunging them back into crisis.

Still, Trump’s request for $5.7 billion to build about 234 miles of barriers along the U.S. border with Mexico faces uphill odds. Even Trump’s GOP allies acknowledge he may only get a fraction of it. The Democratic plan includes new money for customs agents, scanners, aircraft and boats to police the border, and to provide humanitarian assistance for migrants.

“Democrats are once again supporting strong border security as an essential component of homeland security. Border security, however, is more than physical barriers; and homeland security is more than border security,” said Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard, D-Calif.

Senators revisited a bipartisan $1.6 billion proposal for 65 miles of fencing in the Rio Grande Valley in Texas that passed a key committee last year. The panel of old-school lawmakers from the powerful appropriations committees has ample expertise on homeland security issues, as many of them helped finance fence built over the years that stretches across much of the 1,954-mile border.

“Because of the work we did years ago we’ve already built almost 700 miles of fencing on our nation’s border,” said Rep. David Price, D-N.C. “Whatever the president may say it is far from an open border. Meanwhile, the number of undocumented immigrants crossing our border or attempting to cross remain not at alarming highs but at historic lows.”

Republican allies of the president said there will have to be some money to meet Trump’s demands. But they also predict privately that the White House is eager to grab an agreement and declare victory — even if winning only a fraction of Trump’s request.

“The components of border security are people, technology and a barrier. And everybody has voted for all three,” said Sen. John Hoeven, R-N.D. “To get to an agreement we’ve got to have all three in there.”

But as talks on the homeland security budget open, Trump and Republicans are in a weakened position just 17 days before the government runs out of money again without a deal. Democrats won back the House in a midterm rout and prevailed over Trump in the shutdown battle.

“Smart border security is not overly reliant on physical barriers,” House Appropriations Committee Chairwoman Nita Lowey, D-N.Y., said as the session began. She said the Trump administration has failed to demonstrate that physical barriers are cost effective compared with better technology and more personnel.

The comments at once served notice that Democrats weren’t ruling out financing physical structures, but would do so only on a limited basis.

Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., who chairs the Senate Appropriations Committee, said that while Republicans favor improved border security technology, “Smart technology alone does not actually stop anyone from crossing into the U.S. illegally.”

Shelby said physical barriers are needed “not from coast to coast, but strategically placed where traffic is highest.” That echoed recent remarks by Trump as he’s retreated from his more strident comments from the 2016 presidential campaign.

The president surrendered last Friday and agreed to reopen government for three weeks so negotiators can seek a border security deal, but with no commitments for wall funds. If negotiations on the 17-member panel falter, one option would be to enact another temporary government funding measure to replace the current one, which expires Feb. 15.

Trump tweeted Wednesday morning, hours before the negotiators were to sit down for their first meeting, that the group of Republicans and Democrats is “Wasting their time!” if they aren’t “discussing or contemplating a Wall or Physical Barrier.”

Prospects for broadening the scope of the talks to include broader immigration issues such as providing protection against deportation to “Dreamer” immigrants brought illegally to the country as children — or even must-do legislation to increase the government’s borrowing cap — appeared to be fading.

“It’s just a matter of border security at this moment,” Lowey said.

Comments
Be careful what you stand on Democrats, the wall makes sense. I know you are the party of non-sense, but trust me on this. I mean, you can't call a wall immoral and and turn around in support of neonaticide, which is exactly what the New York (Democrats) Reproductive Health Act (RHA) is.

Build That Immoral Wall, as we MAGA
Breaking News: Today... The largest seizure in US history of fentanyl. Customs and Border Protection officers said Thursday they discovered 254 pounds of the drug hidden in a floor compartment of a truck loaded with cucumbers. They also found 395 pounds of methamphetamine. Secure the boarder, it's a National Emergency when 300 people a week die from these drugs. Politicians waste time, while drugs just flow in.

CBP valued the fentanyl at $3.5 million and the methamphetamine at $1.1 million.
A "false floor" was found in the produce truck, said Michael Humphries, who commands the Nogales checkpoint on the Arizona-Mexico border.

Well as you can read it was found at a checkpoint where it was not being carried across the Rio Grande. What a stupid moron. They need more and high tech checkpoints at the border.

Sieg Heil to your Fuhrer now you give the 1 arm salute to the party and his picture.

Hows your Bimbo doing. Make any wampum or do you have to do wampum for your Bimbo.

The Wall is such Wussy Boy Republican waste of money. You're all just bunch of candy pants losers.
This wall won't stop anything or anybody. This Wall is just a way for Trump to feel like he has a penis. Such a pathetic little wanker.
You comment with the dignity one would expect from the side that stakes claim to Moral Superiority.
You folks call a wall immoral, yet high five infanticide.
Why such focus on sexual organs? Odd!
And why does Tamgrad resort to such childish comments? Nothing of substance in those type comments. Shame on both of you.
Has anyone else noticed that at the very moment Democrats sunk to shocking new low of immorality – like legalizing and celebrating infanticide – it simultaneously and on an almost hourly basis accuses the Republican Party and President Trump of “immorality”?
I speak of New York's so-called Reproductive Health Act. It permits abortion up to the very moment of birth, and for any (or no) reason, but even after the baby is born – the dictionary definition of infanticide. Oh... you need not be a Physician to preform this act of murder. Now tell me something, what happened to the argument against back alley abortion? We now need walls around the back allies, to save our children. Oh, wait, walls are immoral.
Hope this doesn't make anyone sick, but it is killing our babies.

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